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| ##28 2018-07-20(Fri)15:33:21 (archived 2019-01-16(Wed)18:12:50) |
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| Wikis on gopherspace |
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| __[2018-07-20(Fri)15:36:14 #211]______________________________________ |
| Is it possible to create a gophersite as a publicly editable wiki |
| on gopherspace? A WikiWikiGopher or a Gwiki? |
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| __[2018-07-20(Fri)20:00:50 #214]______________________________________ |
| It would be very awkward 100% over gopher, but I experimented a |
| little with a combination of gopher + ftp |
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| __[2018-07-20(Fri)20:01:09 #215]______________________________________ |
| gopher://khzae.net/1/phiki |
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| __[2018-07-20(Fri)20:02:28 #216]______________________________________ |
| ^ also uses git for history tracking, you could probably submit |
| content via git too |
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| __[2018-07-21(Sat)20:27:28 #217]______________________________________ |
| Cool! With what gopher server did you create this with? |
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| __[2018-07-21(Sat)20:28:53 #218]______________________________________ |
| And is phiki open-sourced? (BTW, I can't connect to the FTP |
| servers. I tried FireFTP on SeaMonkey and Filezilla and typed in |
| the specified username and password but they don't work). |
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| __[2018-07-21(Sat)23:35:06 #219]______________________________________ |
| Okay, I finally connected to the FTP server and I wrote an article |
| about the gopher protocol to publish to the phiki, but unfortunately |
| it doesn't appear under content although the FTP client tells me |
| the transfer was successful. |
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| __[2018-07-22(Sun)16:05:40 #220]______________________________________ |
| Cannot reproduce, my article got published |
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| __[2018-07-22(Sun)21:00:43 #221]______________________________________ |
| @217 Bucktooth is the server I use. @219 There's not much to open |
| source. It is just a folder where anyone can upload via FTP that |
| is watched by incron and makes a commit when a file is added. Very |
| experimental ATM. |
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| __[2018-07-22(Sun)21:08:29 #222]______________________________________ |
| also @219, I see why your upload didn't work. It was a little too |
| picky about while files it allowed, and it rejected the DOS-style |
| ASCII. The downside to FTP is I'm not sure how to communicate such |
| an error to the uploader. Maybe HTTP would be better. |
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| __[2018-07-22(Sun)23:13:31 #223]______________________________________ |
| Yeah, I'm using Windows 7. I think it's because files on Windows |
| have to be defined with extensions, whereas with UNIX-like systems |
| its extensionless. |
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| __[2018-07-22(Sun)23:14:26 #224]______________________________________ |
| I'll try again running Linux. |
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| __[2018-07-23(Mon)08:23:56 #225]______________________________________ |
| @223 @224 It should accept your file now if you reupload. By |
| DOS-style I mean CRLF line endings. phiki uses `file` to check them |
| differently from Unix-style (only LF). Articles should be uploaded |
| without an extension since the filename = article title. |
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| __[2018-07-23(Mon)16:13:35 #226]______________________________________ |
| It works now. I have a question for the Gopher protocol, does |
| gopher allow login authentication akin to FTP, as in that some |
| directories on Gopher are restricted in which they can only be |
| access via username and password? |
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| __[2018-07-23(Mon)16:18:11 #227]______________________________________ |
| @226 Directly, no. You could use a secret key in the selector to |
| limit access, but gopher is not secure like HTTPS. The alternative is |
| to secure the network on which the gopher server runs with a login. |
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| __[2018-07-23(Mon)16:21:58 #229]______________________________________ |
| Demo of "session" over gopher |
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| __[2018-07-23(Mon)16:24:40 #230]______________________________________ |
| ^ basically a session id is passed around in the selector, like a |
| faux cookie. Problem is that the login details are passed once in |
| plain text in the selector too... |
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| __[2018-07-23(Mon)16:30:12 #231]______________________________________ |
| @230 Cool! But can you create and register an account on a gophersite |
| like how you can on HTTP sites like how you can register an account |
| on Wikipedia? |
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| __[2018-07-23(Mon)16:36:57 #232]______________________________________ |
| @231 It's possible to build such a thing, but it will not be |
| secure, in the same way that logging in over FTP/HTTP is insecure |
| (so FTPS/SFTP/HTTPS are used instead nowadays). There's no |
| "authentication" method built in to the protocol, however. |
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| __[2018-07-23(Mon)16:47:47 #233]______________________________________ |
| @232 Hmmm. But is it possible to reform the Gopher protocol to |
| authenticate over TLS/SSL like HTTP, and will it ever happen? |
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| __[2018-07-23(Mon)16:51:31 #234]______________________________________ |
| Like sgopher |
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| __[2018-07-23(Mon)20:39:25 #235]______________________________________ |
| I think there's been a few attempts. The Umbrellix gopher has some |
| practical examples of TLS + gopher as well as gopher on the darknet |
| (Tor/I2P/Hyerboria) |
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| __[2018-07-23(Mon)20:39:43 #236]______________________________________ |
| gopher://gopher.umbrellix.net/ |
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| __[2018-07-24(Tue)10:08:03 #237]______________________________________ |
| @235 Yeah, I've accessed Umbrellix' gopherhole over TOR (I'm using |
| SeaMonkey which I configured to connect to TOR). |
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| __[2018-08-08(Wed)15:41:01 #266]______________________________________ |
| @233 I'm experimenting with SSL support for this gopher, you should |
| be able to test it on khzae.net port 105. I'll also put some info |
| in a file (link to follow) |
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| __[2018-08-08(Wed)15:42:38 #267]______________________________________ |
 | gopher://khzae.net/0/ssl.txt |
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